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« on: July 29, 2012, 01:37:29 am »Very interesting Manga here but it looks good so far 
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Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 24, 2012, 02:08:58 am »One: Google's measurement is utterly irrelevant in this case, it doesn't change the fact that there are people who CANNOT download chapters, for whatever reason, and are forced to use online readers. You're maybe right about that one, but it also doesn't change the fact (the numbers) that people learn in the process to be wise.  Two: I'm suggesting a simple, logical and reasonable solution here to a person/group with a problem. I myself have no problem with the system and personally I don't care if it's implemented or not, but, if you want a solution to your problems of getting greater volumes of people thanking you for the latest chapter and generally getting people to come here while still screwing over Mangafox and helping other, friendly groups at the same time; well there's your solution as I presented it. Message sent. Thanks for taking time to air your sentiments. It's good to know how you generally feel and it's good to see other people's point of view.  PS While it may be true for english readers, other languages' readers (french, spanish, italian, vietnamese, russian, etc.) will still prefer batoto over any other sites.  Posted by: Amplify« on: July 23, 2012, 12:38:55 pm »As for the rest of that, the problem is that you're using yourself as a yardstick by which to measure the "average" of humanity, when in reality just the fact that you're here in the first place and visit scanlator's directly is pretty good proof that you're near the top of the scale you're trying to measure. One: Google's measurement is utterly irrelevant in this case, it doesn't change the fact that there are people who CANNOT download chapters, for whatever reason, and are forced to use online readers. Two: I'm suggesting a simple, logical and reasonable solution here to a person/group with a problem. I myself have no problem with the system and personally I don't care if it's implemented or not, but, if you want a solution to your problems of getting greater volumes of people thanking you for the latest chapter and generally getting people to come here while still screwing over Mangafox and helping other, friendly groups at the same time; well there's your solution as I presented it. Whether or not you take sound advice, is entirely up to you. Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 23, 2012, 02:28:33 am »As for the rest of that, the problem is that you're using yourself as a yardstick by which to measure the "average" of humanity, when in reality just the fact that you're here in the first place and visit scanlator's directly is pretty good proof that you're near the top of the scale you're trying to measure.  And why do people assume things that way... when I just want to eat ramen  You missed two points there: ONE: Blame google on that measurement, not me  I'm an avid anime fan who just happens to read manga, my priorities are different. I'm an electronic freak and as far as I am concerned - what I use as bases are almost quantitative.TWO: Don't go suggesting things to lazy people Presenting an idea that you say will solve a problem but will not take responsibility for it is....  Posted by: Amplify« on: July 22, 2012, 07:04:32 pm »did you suggest it there? Batoto as a site has a lot of things to improve on in my opinion.No, I'm far too lazy for that. I'd suggest you present the idea there and take credit for it, I'm not really fussed. As for the rest of that, the problem is that you're using yourself as a yardstick by which to measure the "average" of humanity, when in reality just the fact that you're here in the first place and visit scanlator's directly is pretty good proof that you're near the top of the scale you're trying to measure. Spoiler: People are stupid. And lazy. But especially stupid. Posted by: NoMan« on: July 22, 2012, 06:29:53 pm »when, more, terya....? need more please!
Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 22, 2012, 05:40:04 pm »You're expecting people by and large to be; People learn, they just need to have firsthand experience. B: Not too lazy to go to said scanlator's site and download it there instead of just checking mangafox for it "to see if it's not glitched there" or something along those lines People who needs it fast needs to know the actual source. I mean if you really love the series, you take note of every detail. C: Be in a position to go downloading chapters and reading them thatway, rather than online Google trends points that way. If the trend continues, offline manga readers will soon overtake online ones. Probably because of the new technology on the loose.... That's why I suggested that Batoto could seriously do with it alerting people to a new released chapter and then straight up linking them to the scanlator's site to get it there instead of the file simply not being found, in the case of a release delay. did you suggest it there? Batoto as a site has a lot of things to improve on in my opinion.  Out of topic btw  ~Owari~ Posted by: Amplify« on: July 22, 2012, 04:27:50 pm »You're expecting people by and large to be;
A: Smart enough to not be using mangafox & mangahere in the first place, as well as smart enough to realise when a chapter uploaded to Batoto and isn't accessible that it isn't there because of a release delay B: Not too lazy to go to said scanlator's site and download it there instead of just checking mangafox for it "to see if it's not glitched there" or something along those lines C: Be in a position to go downloading chapters and reading them thatway, rather than online I don't care how optimistic you are, that's still a losing bet (you have better odds of PROzess and NOEZ secretly being BFF). Half of the people are just going to go "mangafox has it, Batoto doesn't, so I'll just use mangafox instead" and nearly all of the rest would just read it whenever the new chapter hits Batoto's latest release listing without ever realising there was a delay at all in the first place. That's why I suggested that Batoto could seriously do with it alerting people to a new released chapter and then straight up linking them to the scanlator's site to get it there instead of the file simply not being found, in the case of a release delay. That would fix 90% of the problem and without it there's literally no good reason to have a delay that isn't heavily outweighed by the bad of sending the more ignorant masses back to mangafox after having read the adverts of "come get the latest chapter on Batoto before anywhere else!*" (*- Unless there's a delay, then mangafox will have it 12 hours or more before us) Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 22, 2012, 03:35:27 pm »I am subscribed to many scanlator's feeds and have it all linked back to my google homepage, you're picking a fight here that you really don't need to do. I'm not picking a fight here, sorry if it sounded like that. I'm lazy as hell to do that The way I see it, subscribe to manga updates and you'll have all the groups and all the manga updates you need.Besides, RSS and atom feeds works for all computers even if they're not your own. You can read them on a tablet, on a desktop, on the internet cafe, on a laptop, on a phone. It's not a push technology that requires a username and password, it's actually a "pull" technology in a sense.  Posted by: Amplify« on: July 22, 2012, 03:05:13 pm »You do, most don't. I am subscribed to many scanlator's feeds and have it all linked back to my google homepage, you're picking a fight here that you really don't need to do. I'm talking about all leechers / fans as a whole; most people will just go to Batoto's homepage (or mangafox or mangareader, or wherever) and just check there on their favourites list and a quick scan down the most recently released chapters for the sake of convenience, since they can just instantly read the new chapter instead of a roundabout spiderweb of checking multiple group webpages, only some of which have their own reader. Why can't they just download the new chapters? There are many who aren't doing this on their personal computer so they're unable to download anything and have to use online readers instead. Besides, RSS feeds really only works at all for your own computer. Heck, even though I'm subscribed to a whole bunch of scanlator site updates I still have to check Batoto anyway just for the groups I'm not subscribed to, either because they don't have a feed or because if I subscribe to any more it'll be a little ridiculous and unmanageable. Regardless, it doesn't seem you're going to listen to common sense, so never mind I guess. Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 22, 2012, 02:25:10 pm »You do, most don't. And I don't see why they won't start soon. There is a difference between just reading a book and appreciating it - appreciative readers will always look for ways to thank the author even by just posting on his/her blog. If you're in a hurry to read Japanzai's releases, you could always subscribe to the web feed you know. It will be way faster than reading it on mangafox or mangahere.Posted by: Amplify« on: July 22, 2012, 02:07:11 pm »For new releases, I don't actually read on batoto unless necessary since manga updates always take me to the scanlator's official site. You do, most don't. Posted by: Shin_hannin« on: July 22, 2012, 01:31:53 pm »For new releases, I don't actually read on batoto unless necessary since manga updates always take me to the scanlator's official site.
Posted by: Amplify« on: July 22, 2012, 08:18:22 am »A feature that Batoto desperately needs, is that when a chapter is uploaded to the site but there is a scanlator mandated release delay on it, is that it adds it to the list of newly released manga and the list for that manga as normal but with (delay) by the name and clicking on it takes you straight to the scanlator's release post for said chapter instead of the Batoto hosted version of it until the delay has expired.
If that were added then I could completely agree with a release delay of something like 6 hours for anybody wanting additional traffic. Posted by: imercenary« on: July 22, 2012, 03:41:15 am »I'm also of the opinion that a release delay for Batoto is always a terrible idea, regardless of the circumstances. I agree. Unless you're already in the know, figuring out when and where to go to read the newest releases is so difficult that most people just throw their hands up in the air and say "screw it, I'll wait for X manga aggregate site to put it up". That said, thanks for all the scanlations. |